it's not just being anti-israel. he's got a problem with what he calls the jews, the jewish lobby. >> i don't think he ever used the jews as a term, and i think he said the jewish lobby casually. he probably should have been more precise because he was referring in this instance to those who support israel. he wasn't referring to a jewish lobby concerned about general anti-semitism. when you're talking about israel, you have to be precise in this country which is very heterogeneous. we have a lot of different points of view and a lot of sensitivities that have to be respected. i believe that. that's how we talk, joan, in america. we make careful effort to do that. >> right. and peter is right. the neocons didn't do their homework. aaron david miller, the great middle east expert who actually is the person that chuck hagel used the phrase the jewish lobby with, came out in foreign policy and defended him and called these charges scurrilous and defended his approach to israel and to war. they popped off, they didn't do